Does anyone know if any commercially available probiotic contains oxalobacter formigenes bacteria?
Again: Does anyone know if any commercially available probiotic contains oxalobacter formigenes bacteria?
I've been a kidney stone sufferer for a while now, and there's some good research saying that a lack of O. formigenes may be a primary cause of kidney stones, fibromialgya and even autism, because non degraded oxalate may cause tisue damage.
My brother suffers fibromialgya and so on in my family.
If this question has expired and O. formigenes is available months or even years later you can send me an e-mail to
There is a Yahoo Group on oxalates that can help you. There are several strains of probiotics that help reduce oxalates as well as doing the low oxalate diet. To find the health forum, go to Yahoo Groups and put in the search box, oxalates.
Will I have to stay an a low-oxalate diet forever because of antibiotics?
Recently, i was put on about 3 months of the antibiotic "Cipro" for an infection of the prostate
I am a young guy, and I feel this stuff has destroyed me
I came off of it a week ago, to discover I had candida overgrowth, and leaky gut syndrome (All easily self-diagnosed) And now today, I have realized the antibiotic has killed all my "OXALOBACTER FORMIGENES" bacteria in my gut. I have had lower back pain for about a week, that was getting worse today, and thankfully stumbled upon a page about vegetables and oxalates (I eat vegan, many vegetables a day) Before this was no problem for me, as my gut was not leaky, and I had the bactera that ate the oxalates
From what I understand, this is the only bactera in your gut that does actually feed off the oxalates, and keeps them from harming you. Will I ever be able to eat my normal diet of vegetables again? Or will I always have to stick to this "diet" low in oxalate? I am taking probiotics and supplements for my leaky gut, but "OXALOBACTER FORMIGENES" is the only probiotic which has yet to be put into a supplement.
Will I be cured when i fix my leaky gut, and balance the bacteria in my gut? I understand some other probiotics in your gut make the enzyme that eats oxalates
No guesses. Please only knowleedgeable, informative, REAL answers
The best way to get a good answer for that question is probably from people who had the same thing happen to them. I have a yahoogroup that has almost 6000 people on it all who are trying to reduce oxalate either through diet or by reducing the risks of making oxalate in their bodies. We have a lot of people who got to this awful place also through antibiotics, and yes, even Cipro.
I'm sure our listmates who had the same thing happen to them would love to share stories with you and tell you about their recovery and how long it took. We also have a lot vegans on our listserve working together on how to get enough protein without getting too much oxalate.
I would recommend right now, this instant, ordering the one probiotic that is on the market and proven to be able to degrade oxalate in vitro. We have years of using it on our listserve, and it is very effective. It is called VSL#3 and you can buy it off the internet from the website by the same name, and some people have told me Costco has it. It was found the best at degrading oxalate by an independent scientist who studied other probiotics out there to see which worked the best at this task. Most probiotics tested could not degrade oxalate in this independent test.
Also, you may have also lost some of your biotin producing flora, which is a mess because oxalate (as it builds up) also tangles with biotin dependent enzymes. That's a pretty good reason to take high dose biotin, and that will help with any tendency to get yeast infections. So far, on lab tests I've reviewed (and I've reviewed about 600 of them) I keep seeing that antifungal therapy may make oxalate issues worse, so it is better probably to try the biotin first to dissuade the candida before you alter your flora even more with antifungals.
Oxalobacter Formigenes is being developed as on orphan drug for a genetic disease called primary hyperoxaluria. A company named OxThera and its predecessor have worked about a decade on this product, but have had trouble having a successful clinical trial and it has recently been reformulated and still pretty far from being available.
Our listserve has many other strategies that work, and if you want to see how extensive your oxalate problem is, there is also a lab test we can recommend that helps clarify the issues, but we are not affiliated with them..
I know you will get lots of support from people in the same boat at Trying_Low_Oxalates@yahoogroups.com and its associated website, www.lowoxalate.info. That site will soon have a major update. We're working hard on that, but would just love to have you as part of our community of people getting better by knowing about oxalate and its relationship to trouble in the body and what to do about oxalate when it is absorbed through a leaky gut. We can also help you get materials your doctor might want to read.
I hope this helps.
listowner, Trying_Low_Oxalates@yahoogroups.com (in its eighth year and growing like crazy)
how to replace oxalobactor formigenes in the intestine?
eat yogurt, or take probiotic supplements
Taking Ciprofloxacin for removing Calcium Oxalate?
First of all, I'm not sure with the word "removing".
Here's how it goes:
I got my urinalysis results and calcium oxalate was indicated. So, I consulted a doctor. She recommended me to take Ciprofloxacin 3 times a day (every 8 hours.)
Well, she's a doctor so I trust her.
Then, I got to research about calcium oxalate and ciprofloxacin when I got home. I cannot find any site or article about ciprofloxacin supporting calcium oxalates.
Then, I read some articles saying that Ciprofloxacin can 'cause crystals or what. I'm not sure. And I'm afraid this medicine/antibiotic might be bad for my condition. Well, I don't know. It's better to know things.
Please help~ Specially to people who have knowledge on medicine or better, a doctor. :)
Little Addition: I've read that Ciprofloxacin should not be taken together with milk or yogurt or any similar food. Before I read that, I've eaten yogurt and oatmeal with milk and a cup of goat's milk. And I took Ciprofloxacin. What will happen to me? Paranoid here~
While I'm no doctor, I have been following a low oxalate diet for a year and a half now, and have learned quite a bit about oxalates in that time. So much, in fact, that I decided to start a website about them ( http://oxvox.com )! I've tried to base everything I put on there on the scientific literature (though I admittedly throw in some of my own experiences as well). I'd love to have you stop by if you're interested in learning more about controlling oxalates in general.
To address your specific question about taking cipro to deal with oxalates, I would heartily recommend AGAINST it, and here's why: Ciprofloxacin is an antibiotic which has been shown to kill Oxalobacter Formigenes. (Reference here: http://www.modernmedicine.com/modernmedicine/Modern+Medicine+Now/O-formigenes-colonization-may-be-inhibited-by-anti/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/711807)
What is Oxalobacter Formigenes? It is a bacteria that lives in your gut, and as its name would suggest, the main thing it eats is oxalate! So if you take antibiotics, you risk killing off this beneficial bacteria, and thus INCREASING your likelihood of absorbing oxalates from the food you eat (if the bacteria aren't around to absorb the oxalates, it remains in your gut for you to absorb).
Even more important - O. Formigenes is NOT the only bacteria which has been shown to degrade oxalate in the gut. Since antibiotics tend to kill gut bacteria indiscriminately, they wipe out your body's first line of defense against oxalates. Is it any wonder kidney stones are so common in this country?
As for your second question, about dairy and Cipro? Don't worry, you're not gonna die! The reason they recommend that is because Cipro can bind to the minerals in dairy, which would render it less effective at being absorbed into your bloodstream and thus less effective as a systemic antibiotic. (Reference here: http://bacteria.emedtv.com/cipro/cipro-and-dairy-products.html)
Hope this helps!
Yeast Infection question?
About three weeks ago I got a UTI, so I went to the doctor and they gave me some antibiotics to take. I did that but a few days later I got a yeast infection; which runs in our family, if we take medication we get yeast infections but this is the first time it had happen to me. So my mom called the doctor and they gave me the normal Monistat 7 day cream. I used it but it didn't work, but during that process I got another UTI. I went to the doctors on Wednesday July 1 and they gave me a 10 day antibiotic for the UTI and a stronger perscription 7 day cream for the yeast infection. But I still have two days left and I think I only have enough for one more night for the cream. So here is my delema, for the last day should I use the rest of the monistat that was left over from the other week or would that not work cause it is a different cream?
Did you know that any method of birth control that uses progesterone causes yeast infections? Examples of this are The Pill, Depo-Provera, Yaz, The Patch and Mirena.
Also, do you eat a lot of foods that are high in oxalates? You need to look up what oxalates are. You see, most people can process oxalic acid from plants, but those that are lacking in the bacteria oxalobacter formigenes is a bacterium hta tis able to degrade oxalates. Without it, yeast infections are easy. You must know that having anti-biotics decreases the amount of Oxalobacter Formigenes in your gut, which then in turn causes yeast infections.
So, what to do?
Go to Whole Foods Market and get the Lakewood brand cranberry juice that they carry without sugar. Drink this bottle within 48 hours. Now, cranberry is actually high in oxalates too, however, it is better than doing more Flagyl or Cipro.
Bottom LIne- you are doing something that is perpetuating the yeast infections. Don't drink any cokes nor booze either.